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Bleeeehhh I can't do it.
Maybe I'll review though.
Maybe.
Good luck to everyone!
Dorks.
Maybe I'll review though.
Maybe.
Good luck to everyone!
Dorks.
>>Orbiting_kettle
Actually kettle, I loved your review. You near put me to shame with it :D I totally wanted to say "Er, yeah! That's exactly what I meant, yup! See how smart I am?" But alas.
Actually kettle, I loved your review. You near put me to shame with it :D I totally wanted to say "Er, yeah! That's exactly what I meant, yup! See how smart I am?" But alas.
A little late here, but congrats LiseEclaire, Flutterpriest and horizon! ...Dorks.
>>MonarchDodora >>billymorph >>PinoyPony >>The_Letter_J >>horizon >>TheCyanRecluse >>Trick_Question >>Orbiting_kettle >>Leo >>TitaniumDragon
Thanks for all the thoughtful reviews guys! Don't have much time here so I'll try to be quick.
I also want to preface this by saying I don't wish to offend anyone. Retrospectives are about revealing the birthplace of a story, so that's only what I wish to do. Also, you're free to read whatever interpretation you want. Here is what I intended.
For me, "A Brown Coffer" is, well, a tragedy. Admittedly, there is no "wound". It was born out of thinking about time, which always makes me think of infinity, which leads me to God, and how well I know or don't know him, and how others know and conceive of him. Namely, I believe many people have an... inaccurate imagining of (the Christian) God, both "believers" and "non-believers". The idea sprung from an old (for me) metaphor: putting God in a box.
The story is specified to Christians, but invites anyone to consider how they think about God. I wanted to comment on what I think is the tragedy of many Christian lives: their understanding of God. Which is, in my totally not offensive opinion, often restrictive, highly depersonalizing, unemotional, and generally not much better than a cardboard box. Their relationship to him isn't that much different either (I say that as the worst of friends). I include in this a wider range of people than you might think.
As many of you correctly pointed out, the box does not do much to prove it is God, and narratively speaking this is a problem. But...it's also the point. For me, the core conflict is between the narrator's sense (and desire) that God ought to be more, and his lack of courage and ignorance of how to get that. He tries, but fails because he never approaches him as anything other than a box. The result is increasing hopelessness and depression. He wants to have a relationship with God, but has no idea how. He thinks he does, though.
This is, generally, what I wanted to convey. The execution has lots and lots of problems, however. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I wish I had more time to respond to specific comments, but suffice it to say, I appreciated and enjoyed every word :D
>>MonarchDodora >>billymorph >>PinoyPony >>The_Letter_J >>horizon >>TheCyanRecluse >>Trick_Question >>Orbiting_kettle >>Leo >>TitaniumDragon
Thanks for all the thoughtful reviews guys! Don't have much time here so I'll try to be quick.
I also want to preface this by saying I don't wish to offend anyone. Retrospectives are about revealing the birthplace of a story, so that's only what I wish to do. Also, you're free to read whatever interpretation you want. Here is what I intended.
For me, "A Brown Coffer" is, well, a tragedy. Admittedly, there is no "wound". It was born out of thinking about time, which always makes me think of infinity, which leads me to God, and how well I know or don't know him, and how others know and conceive of him. Namely, I believe many people have an... inaccurate imagining of (the Christian) God, both "believers" and "non-believers". The idea sprung from an old (for me) metaphor: putting God in a box.
The story is specified to Christians, but invites anyone to consider how they think about God. I wanted to comment on what I think is the tragedy of many Christian lives: their understanding of God. Which is, in my totally not offensive opinion, often restrictive, highly depersonalizing, unemotional, and generally not much better than a cardboard box. Their relationship to him isn't that much different either (I say that as the worst of friends). I include in this a wider range of people than you might think.
As many of you correctly pointed out, the box does not do much to prove it is God, and narratively speaking this is a problem. But...it's also the point. For me, the core conflict is between the narrator's sense (and desire) that God ought to be more, and his lack of courage and ignorance of how to get that. He tries, but fails because he never approaches him as anything other than a box. The result is increasing hopelessness and depression. He wants to have a relationship with God, but has no idea how. He thinks he does, though.
This is, generally, what I wanted to convey. The execution has lots and lots of problems, however. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I wish I had more time to respond to specific comments, but suffice it to say, I appreciated and enjoyed every word :D
I'm trying not to leave reviews since I don't really have time, but given others had issues with this I want the author to know: I really liked this. I doubt it means much from a nincompoop :p For me, it is about the price and reward of telling stories, something I very much believe in. The only question I'm left with is why the stars seem to betray the prince.
I only skimmed other reviews, but for those who might not have caught it, both the bard and grandfather are the fairy prince. At least, they seemed so to me.
Anyway, great job in my book.
I only skimmed other reviews, but for those who might not have caught it, both the bard and grandfather are the fairy prince. At least, they seemed so to me.
Anyway, great job in my book.
Heeeeeeeeyyyyy...
Sorry to those who replied to a comment/review of mine in the last four days or so. I hate not answering replies. I love talking with you guys. But my time has sort of gotten vacuumed up (by the cosmic dyson in the sky). Reviews have slipped away from me too. I'll try to do some for the finals (because my opinion totally matters, right guys? ...guys?) How you people seem to spit those things out I'll never know. I can easily spend an hour writing just one! D:
Sorry to those who replied to a comment/review of mine in the last four days or so. I hate not answering replies. I love talking with you guys. But my time has sort of gotten vacuumed up (by the cosmic dyson in the sky). Reviews have slipped away from me too. I'll try to do some for the finals (because my opinion totally matters, right guys? ...guys?) How you people seem to spit those things out I'll never know. I can easily spend an hour writing just one! D:
I really like this for its prose, and what its trying to accomplish, though I don't feel it quite succeeds. You have a great use of imagery and metaphor, and the colorful language flows easily. Lines like "the croon of your trumpet" have stuck with me after reading (I read this yesterday). Because of this the narrator feels like they have a definite personality. There's dimension to them, when often in first person stories there isn't any (it's not always easy to do).
The narrator is, I think, a woman, and her lover is either a man or woman--I can't tell which. Perhaps that was intentional. Also, I am mostly sure it's the same narrator throughout. This is important, because just like not being able to take a deep breath, the emotion is prevented from fully developing for me.
Creating a clear context is integral to evoking emotion. If you can't understand what's going on, how do you know what to feel, right? Subtlety is good, but not if it muddles important details too much. So, in this instance, I don't know at what stage in the relationship most of the texts occur. They could easily be before breakup or afterwards. This colors them very differently. Before breakup, they're loving and flirty and romantic; after breakup, they're obsessive and reveal a deep hurt and inability to move on or let go. But see, I don't know which it is.
Also, because we only see one side of the conversation, it feels, well, very one sided. There's clearly another person implicated in the conversation, but they are silent, and so it comes across as one person doing all the talking. It adds to the obsessive appearance of the narrator. Now you might very well have intended this to illicit sadness by alluding to the fact the narrator is reaching out but is ignored. Like someone knocking endlessly on a door that will never be opened, we feel bad for them.
However, the time skips prevent this from happening for me. We jump forward and backward in time, instead of moving farther and farther into the future, which I think would more clearly convey the narrator is being ignored. Coupled with not knowing whether most texts are pre or post-breakup, I don't know whether this was a text that was likely ignored by the partner or not.
Does this make sense? I don't mean to ramble. I really did enjoy this story. I would suggest clarifying what stage in the relationship each texts occurs in--that's most important. Adding some information as to why the breakup occurred would also really help. As is, I don't know whether it's the narrators fault, or they simply have a misplaced sense of guilt in an attempt to regain the relationship.
So overall really great prose, and some not-difficult-to-fix structure and plotting issues.
>>The_Letter_J
Each passage is a text message (it says this at the end of the first one), and so the numbers represent which text in the conversation it is, and so act like a time stamp. ^.^
The narrator is, I think, a woman, and her lover is either a man or woman--I can't tell which. Perhaps that was intentional. Also, I am mostly sure it's the same narrator throughout. This is important, because just like not being able to take a deep breath, the emotion is prevented from fully developing for me.
Creating a clear context is integral to evoking emotion. If you can't understand what's going on, how do you know what to feel, right? Subtlety is good, but not if it muddles important details too much. So, in this instance, I don't know at what stage in the relationship most of the texts occur. They could easily be before breakup or afterwards. This colors them very differently. Before breakup, they're loving and flirty and romantic; after breakup, they're obsessive and reveal a deep hurt and inability to move on or let go. But see, I don't know which it is.
Also, because we only see one side of the conversation, it feels, well, very one sided. There's clearly another person implicated in the conversation, but they are silent, and so it comes across as one person doing all the talking. It adds to the obsessive appearance of the narrator. Now you might very well have intended this to illicit sadness by alluding to the fact the narrator is reaching out but is ignored. Like someone knocking endlessly on a door that will never be opened, we feel bad for them.
However, the time skips prevent this from happening for me. We jump forward and backward in time, instead of moving farther and farther into the future, which I think would more clearly convey the narrator is being ignored. Coupled with not knowing whether most texts are pre or post-breakup, I don't know whether this was a text that was likely ignored by the partner or not.
Does this make sense? I don't mean to ramble. I really did enjoy this story. I would suggest clarifying what stage in the relationship each texts occurs in--that's most important. Adding some information as to why the breakup occurred would also really help. As is, I don't know whether it's the narrators fault, or they simply have a misplaced sense of guilt in an attempt to regain the relationship.
So overall really great prose, and some not-difficult-to-fix structure and plotting issues.
>>The_Letter_J
Each passage is a text message (it says this at the end of the first one), and so the numbers represent which text in the conversation it is, and so act like a time stamp. ^.^
I really enjoyed this, particularly the prose. It flows like a babbling brook, and never felt overdone, even though in some places it ought to have. Lines like:
really worked for me (though I can see them having an opposite effect on others). As far as I'm concerned, though, it was great. A story is more than prose though, and what we got I also liked. The war descriptions felt real to me (excepting a few minor bits), and the idea of an aged soldier sitting at his old battlefield endlessly phasing in and out of flashbacks was poignant for me.
There's really nothing I feel personally needs changing. It's paced very well too. Nicely done. ^.^
Thoughts turned from fading to the shadows to catching sight of them, propagating stealthily from the shimmering wisps of dreams at the edges of heavy-lidded eyes.
really worked for me (though I can see them having an opposite effect on others). As far as I'm concerned, though, it was great. A story is more than prose though, and what we got I also liked. The war descriptions felt real to me (excepting a few minor bits), and the idea of an aged soldier sitting at his old battlefield endlessly phasing in and out of flashbacks was poignant for me.
There's really nothing I feel personally needs changing. It's paced very well too. Nicely done. ^.^
>>The_Letter_J
>>Leo
Sorry guys just noticed these >.<
That's a good point about the other medics not realizing seven victims had already received specialized aid. And you might be right leo, maybe they just didn't notice/figured it was obviously done by one of their own. It's hard to say. It might just be an oversight by the author, too. Personally, I'm stumped.
I didn't like the very end either, though I'm mostly sure why the author did it. I think it was a final attempt to show us the medic is inordinary. We already knew this though when the narrator speaks to the other doctors about the experience. And plus it kinda whiplashed me, coming out of nowhere and suddenly throwing these elements from one context into another.
>>Leo
Sorry guys just noticed these >.<
That's a good point about the other medics not realizing seven victims had already received specialized aid. And you might be right leo, maybe they just didn't notice/figured it was obviously done by one of their own. It's hard to say. It might just be an oversight by the author, too. Personally, I'm stumped.
I didn't like the very end either, though I'm mostly sure why the author did it. I think it was a final attempt to show us the medic is inordinary. We already knew this though when the narrator speaks to the other doctors about the experience. And plus it kinda whiplashed me, coming out of nowhere and suddenly throwing these elements from one context into another.
I agree with my fellow readers on this. All fun with puns aside (I've never been one to groan at them, why pass up a chance to smile?), there are tonal misalignments here, and some logic gaps. For instance, Rhett relenting on getting a doctor makes sense, until we learn she's dying (unless that's a joke too? Or she's not really dying but they're pretending she is).
Anyway clean up shouldn't be too difficult, and I did enjoy the dog's names. Terrible to some, clever to others, that's how puns always go.
Anyway clean up shouldn't be too difficult, and I did enjoy the dog's names. Terrible to some, clever to others, that's how puns always go.
I second >>The_Letter_J. I hadn't even thought of time travel until I read your review, J, but thinking about it now I definitely believe that's it. As for mentioning unbandaged people, I think those are ones the medic hadn't helped, probably because they were going to live anyway. The narrator says he's the fifth one helped by the medic, who when he's finished says there are two more to save, making seven in total. But we know there are dozens wounded.
My biggest critique of this story is possibly unfair: it uses a real atrocity as its framework, and this drew comparisons to the story's emotional accuracy. I guess I should be honest: I don't think it came close. I do not feel it did justice to the trauma of that attack, and that's what irks me.
Now this is unfair because had the story taken place on the titanic, I would be much more forgiving. I am used to tales of that disaster. So it's likely because the Paris attacks occured in my lifetime, and so recently, that I dislike any story touching on it which doesn't strive to respect and truly capture the horror of that night. Not that you meant any disrespect of course. I ought to be careful using that word anyway, because I had no friends or family involved, so perhaps i shouldnt assume indignation concerning an event I wasn't a part of.
Anyway, I like the creative twist on 'time heals wounds' here. ^.^
My biggest critique of this story is possibly unfair: it uses a real atrocity as its framework, and this drew comparisons to the story's emotional accuracy. I guess I should be honest: I don't think it came close. I do not feel it did justice to the trauma of that attack, and that's what irks me.
Now this is unfair because had the story taken place on the titanic, I would be much more forgiving. I am used to tales of that disaster. So it's likely because the Paris attacks occured in my lifetime, and so recently, that I dislike any story touching on it which doesn't strive to respect and truly capture the horror of that night. Not that you meant any disrespect of course. I ought to be careful using that word anyway, because I had no friends or family involved, so perhaps i shouldnt assume indignation concerning an event I wasn't a part of.
Anyway, I like the creative twist on 'time heals wounds' here. ^.^
Lots to like here. The opening lines were good and drew me in; the subject matter is hefty (makes it super tricky to deal with in a minific), and I really enjoyed it for the first third, before the father lost his temper. It got a bit rocky after that.
Now I have to be careful here, because this could very well have come from direct personal experience. If that's the case it changes things. As witness to lots of conversations like this myself (so I have only my own experience to draw from), the dialogue is too on the nose here. Specifically, the father outright saying his true feelings: why can't you be normal, I'm embarrassed, etc. In my experience, these rarely if ever come out directly, instead masquerading behind arguments that lean on "what's best for you." Instead of "why can't you be normal" it's "lack of sunlight and a social life isn't healthy for you. You spend too much time on this."
I understand the father is drunk, and angry drunk parents are outside my experience. And to your credit, you're obviously spot on with comparisons to "what I did when I was your age."
You'll have to see what other readers say. For me, their conversation felt too unnatural and melodramatic once tempers skyrocketed. I know you didn't have much space to build the emotions, and space is really what this kind of story and its material need. When you don't have that comfort, a more subtle approach is best, I think. What you had going right up until the dad loses his temper is great. I really liked his attempts to bond by suggesting the festival, but of course, the son doesn't see it as such. This is very true to life.
Hmm, I know you might really like this bit, but I suggest avoiding it. It sort of undoes any emotional heft, for me at least. Why bother feeling a sense of loss when the narrator is poised to undo it? Plus comes out of nowhere.
I know you probably wanted this to inject a sudden swelling of hope at a happy ending--for us to cheer the narrator on. So maybe it's just me.
Either, nice work. ^.^
“I want a normal son! I want someone that people won’t point at me behind my back and whisper about,” he roared.
“Why can't you just accept me for who I am, what I like!”
“Why can’t you just be someone I can be proud of?!
Now I have to be careful here, because this could very well have come from direct personal experience. If that's the case it changes things. As witness to lots of conversations like this myself (so I have only my own experience to draw from), the dialogue is too on the nose here. Specifically, the father outright saying his true feelings: why can't you be normal, I'm embarrassed, etc. In my experience, these rarely if ever come out directly, instead masquerading behind arguments that lean on "what's best for you." Instead of "why can't you be normal" it's "lack of sunlight and a social life isn't healthy for you. You spend too much time on this."
I understand the father is drunk, and angry drunk parents are outside my experience. And to your credit, you're obviously spot on with comparisons to "what I did when I was your age."
You'll have to see what other readers say. For me, their conversation felt too unnatural and melodramatic once tempers skyrocketed. I know you didn't have much space to build the emotions, and space is really what this kind of story and its material need. When you don't have that comfort, a more subtle approach is best, I think. What you had going right up until the dad loses his temper is great. I really liked his attempts to bond by suggesting the festival, but of course, the son doesn't see it as such. This is very true to life.
Time travel? I guess I'm about to find out.
Hmm, I know you might really like this bit, but I suggest avoiding it. It sort of undoes any emotional heft, for me at least. Why bother feeling a sense of loss when the narrator is poised to undo it? Plus comes out of nowhere.
I know you probably wanted this to inject a sudden swelling of hope at a happy ending--for us to cheer the narrator on. So maybe it's just me.
Either, nice work. ^.^
I really liked this. There is something charming and whimsical in the girls' friendship and watching them play hide and seek. Perhaps the story struck a nostalgic cord in me.
However, I feel that a few decisions sacrificed the impact of Leigh's death, by sort of letting the air out of the balloon too early. You want it to pop instead. Namely, this line:
In the paragraph immediately before this, I had the growing sense of dread that this happy chase scene was about to be ruined, probably rather violently (emotionally jarring, I mean). I felt real suspense. But this line unfortunately ruined that, by letting on that disaster was indeed about to occur.
I think you should get rid of it, and carry on straight into the fateful fall. This would allow us to experience it as the narrator does, far enhancing its power. On that same note, you should axe these lines too, I think:
You could always place them at a later point, like when they're reminiscing over Leigh at the end.
You may disagree, and other readers will supply their own thoughts. But I think you should strive for a sudden, striking effect. Foresight causes me to emotionally distance myself for protection.
As I said though, I really enjoyed the characterizations of the girls, though this being a minific there wasn't to fit in. I particularly liked this line too: "She climbed around me like a monkey up the hillside path and I gave chase."
However, I feel that a few decisions sacrificed the impact of Leigh's death, by sort of letting the air out of the balloon too early. You want it to pop instead. Namely, this line:
Sometimes, when I’m taking a long shower, or when I’m in bed at night and can’t sleep, I try to piece together the memories of what happened next in my mind, like a fuzzy jigsaw puzzle.
In the paragraph immediately before this, I had the growing sense of dread that this happy chase scene was about to be ruined, probably rather violently (emotionally jarring, I mean). I felt real suspense. But this line unfortunately ruined that, by letting on that disaster was indeed about to occur.
I think you should get rid of it, and carry on straight into the fateful fall. This would allow us to experience it as the narrator does, far enhancing its power. On that same note, you should axe these lines too, I think:
Leigh had done this dozens of times. Maybe she was always lucky before. Maybe she was just unlucky now. Maybe a fly flew into her eye and she misjudged the distance to the cliff. Maybe she was just reckless. But regardless of why it happened, it happened
You could always place them at a later point, like when they're reminiscing over Leigh at the end.
You may disagree, and other readers will supply their own thoughts. But I think you should strive for a sudden, striking effect. Foresight causes me to emotionally distance myself for protection.
As I said though, I really enjoyed the characterizations of the girls, though this being a minific there wasn't to fit in. I particularly liked this line too: "She climbed around me like a monkey up the hillside path and I gave chase."
I like the tone here, and I think it's what the story succeeds with most. The mood is somber throughout, and that's not nearly as easy to pull off as people might think. It doesn't take much to overdo it. Particularly during the "party", you get a good sense the workers simply don't care about much of anything anymore. They seem too beaten.
However, I feel a lack of clarity keeps the story back. The narrator is experiencing depressing circumstances, but--and perhaps this is just me--I can't determine why. I have guesses, but none seems better than the other. Because of this, I can't take the emotional glum coming off the narrator's tone and attach it to anything concrete. Kinda like seeing somebody cry without knowing why they're crying. You can see their sorrow and in principle empathize, but you can't really connect--does that make sense?
Going by these clues (and the title), it's the narrator's last day as a coal miner, along with his co-workers, but not because the mine is shutting down. The 3rd line suggests the town runs its workers in shifts--how many times over I don't know.
Are they sad because they've lost work, or a camaraderie they've developed? They'll be hitting up the bar together later, and they all live in the same town. Speaking of which, the town is gated and guarded; this could mean lots of things.
The narrator's hesitation to enter their house is certainly interesting. Have they been away for very long? The last two lines I know are particularly important, but I don't know why. Why is being back home so bad? We're left with no indication (that I picked up, mind you).
I think some extra details would go a long way towards adding clarity and hooks to hang our emotions on. It seems like you're going for a subtle approach, but don't be afraid to loosen the belt a bit. After all, emotional impact and meaning isn't delivered through subtlety, but clear revelation. The revelation may arise from subtle details, but it isn't their subtlety which gives them impact, it's understanding what those details mean. If you can't do that, how do you know what to feel?
Anyhoo, some more information on what's going on and why the narrator feels the way they do about home would be very helpful. ^.^
However, I feel a lack of clarity keeps the story back. The narrator is experiencing depressing circumstances, but--and perhaps this is just me--I can't determine why. I have guesses, but none seems better than the other. Because of this, I can't take the emotional glum coming off the narrator's tone and attach it to anything concrete. Kinda like seeing somebody cry without knowing why they're crying. You can see their sorrow and in principle empathize, but you can't really connect--does that make sense?
but today it was different. No one felt in a hurry. No one had the guts to speak
welcoming for the last time the stroke of hot water
but they would soon end up on the dole, too.
Going by these clues (and the title), it's the narrator's last day as a coal miner, along with his co-workers, but not because the mine is shutting down. The 3rd line suggests the town runs its workers in shifts--how many times over I don't know.
Are they sad because they've lost work, or a camaraderie they've developed? They'll be hitting up the bar together later, and they all live in the same town. Speaking of which, the town is gated and guarded; this could mean lots of things.
The narrator's hesitation to enter their house is certainly interesting. Have they been away for very long? The last two lines I know are particularly important, but I don't know why. Why is being back home so bad? We're left with no indication (that I picked up, mind you).
I think some extra details would go a long way towards adding clarity and hooks to hang our emotions on. It seems like you're going for a subtle approach, but don't be afraid to loosen the belt a bit. After all, emotional impact and meaning isn't delivered through subtlety, but clear revelation. The revelation may arise from subtle details, but it isn't their subtlety which gives them impact, it's understanding what those details mean. If you can't do that, how do you know what to feel?
Anyhoo, some more information on what's going on and why the narrator feels the way they do about home would be very helpful. ^.^
Oooo fancy! Guess I've been out of the loop for a while, I didn't expect this. Looking forward to trying it out.
>>Trick_Question
I know how you feel, maintaining multiple sets of notifications is difficult for me. I usually become unbalanced and favor one, ignoring the others for days at a time.
I'm probably wrong, but I think Roger moved things to the site because of his desire to attract a general, non-pony audience.
However things end up going, I do hope you manage to stick it out, TQ :3
>>Trick_Question
I know how you feel, maintaining multiple sets of notifications is difficult for me. I usually become unbalanced and favor one, ignoring the others for days at a time.
I'm probably wrong, but I think Roger moved things to the site because of his desire to attract a general, non-pony audience.
However things end up going, I do hope you manage to stick it out, TQ :3
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